Everybody keeps saying, its a game dont take it personal but using people and their feelings ruthlessly to get himself a second payday in a game makes me wonder what he would do in very serious situations. I mean its just a game…… I believe Dan showed his true colors as a human being and I feel very sorry for Danielle. She believed in him, in every word. She voted for him only to keep her word and show that there are people good for their word.
I hope BB never brings Dan on again. I hope they see the greed. I agree, Joan. What Danielle did wa very Honorable. Kuddos to her! You guys, Danielle is not as innocent as you say and she actually lied a lot in the game. Day 1 she told everyone she was a teacher. She lied to Janelle about why she put her up. She participated in the blindside of Frank BOTH times and she kept going along with Dan even knowing the kind of tactics he was resorting to.
This involved lying to her alliance not to mention the rest of the house that she was on the outs with Dan. Danielle should take a little responsibility here.
I completely agree. Regardless, the right person won and I hope that Dan never returns to Big Brother! Does anyone know about Big Brother coming in February out of Canada? They must be having two episodes a year like Survivor.
Case in point: Russell on Survivor. Russell did not really play well in the last one he got to the Finals. He made the huge mistake of taking Parvati who had already won like Dan and a master manipulator. She almost won it though. Some in the jury voted against Parvati in spite and voted for Sandra who was a floater and did not even make any moves! If Russell took someone else instead of Parvati, he might have had a chance to win against Sandra but, he did not use his head!
Did you not watch Dr. Or even Evel Dick, albiet he was more pranks and destructive than ruthless. It can win this game if you bring the right person all the way. In all seriousness.
I am glad Dan did not win last night. The way he treated Danielle all season was sooo Wrong. It was also very honorable what she did too. In fact before she left that night I was hoping that she would end up in the final 2 with Ian and end winning the k.
Bless her. Thanks for that Seashell, I too had been rooting for Danielle and feel her trusting in Dan unfortunately cost her the game…Overall a newbie won, congrats to Ian! I think it is amazing Ian won. He had so much gratitude to be on big brother, he was thankful everytime he was there took a lot of verbal abuse. He played sides and then made his side and stuck to it. He got bogie out and made a lot of big moves. He took slop as much as he could.
He was mentally smart and good at physical compititions, and he really deserved the money. Ian got the pity vote. Boogie should do seminars for future house guests on how to accept when you got beat by a better player.
He, Janelle and Wil were the only ones that got it. It was brilliant. It is not a testiment to who he is outside of this game. Was he greedy? Yes, but the point of the game is to make it to the end and win the loot. It is not to be friends with everyone do what ever the HOH says and all vote together.
Sure they were ruthless and sure he used everyone, but he did what he had to do. Why does everyone have to take it so personal? You know coming in what the game is. Sure Dan took it to the extreme in many cases and swearing on the bible, his wife, giving his chain etc away is something I could never do, but everyone believed him. And NOT just once. Time and time again. So what does that say about everyone else? They were out played and I am SO glad Dan made it to the end.
I am not upset that Ian won, because he did do a lot to deserve it, but I truly think Dan was the best player — best morals? Best catholic? But if you are voting on best game — Dan! Thank you. Wil said it best. Yes Dan lied. But they all fell for it. A lot. But, like you said, no. And part of the game is making sure you have the votes in the jury. You need to know the jury members and how your actions will affect your votes. He can play as dirty as he wants. Very true, and I give Ian props on playing the way that he did.
The funeral was one of the most amazing things that I have saw. I agree there are no rules and the jury can certainly decide for themselves who they think the best player is, and they are allowed to vote with emotion. Ian was a great player, just not the greatest. Sometimes it is not just about the social game and the comps that you win, but how you manipulate the game.
Dan did just that, He manipulated so many aspects of the game, if the houseguests would have tried to outsmart him, he could have been out of the game weeks ago, instead they kept trusting him. Amazing mind manipulation. Mind game goes to Dan. Competitions, easily Ian. Being able to make big moves without hiding, definitely Dan. But I guess, that was the best. It is hard to say who really deserved the win, but I think it should have been more of a vote.
Oh and Ashley, what a waste of a vote. Would have rather saw Wil, Janelle or Boogie. Even if the outcome would have been the same, at least they can think for themselves. Congrats Ian! Dans tactics kept us guessing and Ians kept us hoping. The final two were both deserving…. I put my thoughts on this in your other posting but just to surmise, I think Dan is going tot he end and I think he owes it to Ian as the only other person to make serious big moves on his own as well as Ian earned it and to make the win legit.
However this plays out I pick a great year to start watching this! Yeah this was one of the best years in a long time. And normally by this point, hell by week three we are all saying it sucks.
I want Ian to get some money, 2nd is fine. I do have to admit that in competitions danielle is pretty strong. However dan is pushing for her to get ian to throw it to her. I think everyone is too hard on Dani-she is the only girl to win HOH this entire season and 2 times plus she did go toe to toe with Janelle and put her out which was a huge play in the game.
This was her first time playing the game and she made it farther than most of the guys and she did protect Shane from being evicted earlier and she told Dan NO. She kept Dan and Shane safe a few times. She got Dan further than he would have if someone else would have won HOH.
She was a good actress when need be, also. I think she meant he misted her! I was rooting for him since Day 1. I will agree that some jury members were bitter such as Joe, Frank, and Shane, but there is more to this game than a social game. People need to realize that competitions are a fundamental part of BB and winning key ones get you farther. Ian did just that. Another aspect that the jury took into consideration was ethics. Dan threw his ethics out the window and the jury did not respect that.
Danielle said something to Jenn when joining jury, do you think see was asking how they were voting to win, and that is the only reason Danielle voted for Dan was out of sympathy? She was trying to get Jenn to vote for Dan. Sooo solly Dumbelle! Wonder if they did that on purpose? Dan should have won. The only better ending would have been for Dan to win the final comp, evict Ian, and be able to say he got there through excellent game play and as a coach brought his favorite student Danielle with him.
At the same time I know I would be glad not to have to spend the majority of each episode in utter confusion as to why people would continue to believe Dan. I mean, every single time, they fell for it. I Ian won that HOH fair and square. That is why he is the better player because he is smarter than Dan.
God love that socially awkward guy because he had to work at it so much more than Dan and appreciates the game more than Dan. I wanted Dan to win the last season he was in but he went too far this season and should have been voted out before all the other coaches. You are wrong! Sure it is part of the game but both Russel and Dan took it too far. Dan more so than Russel who should have won. Totally agree. I honestly hope Ian is invited back to play again.
Dan was amazing. Ian was a one hit wonder. She is just a human being after all and seems like a nice person. All of you Dan fans should be thanking Ian for bringing your boy into the final 2 so at least he could win something…instead of sitting out in the jury with 6, oh I mean 7 people thinking he is a piece of trash… haha. Dan ran out of Mist at the end. Did he forget Ian is a genius?
Dani Logic to use the veto on Dan to make Dan happy should had raised an alarm to Shane. If Shane stays with Dani after watching her put on an act for the whole house for Dan to take her to the end then those 2 BIG dummies deserve each other.
And hiding in the kitchen when he forgot Live feeds were on and for streaking in front of everyone during live feeds! Then he will appreciate how well Dan did. I hope he is invited back just to see him evicted early.
He took out Boogie, but a bitter jury house took out Dan. I wanted the final three to be Dan, Ian, and Frank with Dan winning. You write the nastiest comments on this board. I am glad Ian won. This is my last year watching BB. The show is manipulated too much by the producers. I am sure Ian will spend his winnings wisely. It would be fun if CBS had him and all the BB women house guests go on a date together at some classy place with Ian as host.
Dani was stupid till the end! A great BB season. I was partial to Frank and Boogie, here are my thoughts. I think ian got too much credit for the quack pack as he was the fifth wheel in a five person alliance but he did just enough to be more worthy to the jury than Dan. Dan had an uphill battle and the fact that he made it to the end is a triumph unto itself. I agree with the part that you wrote about Frank as I was a huge fan. When Dan eliminated Frank by the first of his over the top lies I was not a fan of Dan.
As far as Ian getting too much credit for the Quack Pack just think if he had not been coming to them with all the information from the other side what would they have done? They had an alliance of 4, but without Ian they might not have had much more than that. They had the perfect mole and once he was officially part of it they just kept rolling. Dan may not have gotten as far as he did if it were not for Ian. Ian proved one thing and that was his loyality to the Quack Pack.
I think he deserves all the credit in the world for the Quack Pack even before they made him an official member. Dan goes from one of the best players to play in BB to one of the worst in one night losing , with the 1 being a sympathy vote…. BB probably told her to vote that way so Dan would have at least one vote. And his mental gameplay was by far the best, and he made the biggest, boldest moves.
I highly doubt Big Brother told Danielle to vote for Dan. And at the root of these posts was the incinuation that a vote takes Dan from one of the best to ever play to one of the worst. The social aspect on reality shows is the most important. Dan should have been smart enough to know this.
Dan speech was weak. Dan knew he was going to have trouble with votes, he knew he stabbed almost all of them in the back. He was aware of all of it, but that was the only way he gets to the end, by playing that way. Just so you know, braintrust — Dan is the only person to win unanimously.
And you say one of the worst players. Dan fatal mistake, not reading the moral compass of the players he was against. That just might qualify him as a poor player in of itself.
Remember what Britney told Dan before she left. People do value how you play the game, and how you go about things. Morality played a bigger factor this season with the jury than in others. You might say karma finally caught up to Dan in the end. Yup, Dan had such a poor social game he came in 2nd place and won 50k. However those good social players like Shane, Frank and Britney sat on the jury.
Great reasoning there. Ian derseve the The whole house was lieing to each other… But Dan I did not like it I agree he is judas …. Ian deserved to win and I am happy he did. It was a great win by him, and I agree with Boogie, Ian visually grew during the season and I think people should acknowledge that, whether you like the kid or not. Dan played a very good game. Not the type of game most people like, but he did what he had to do, and in the end, it cost him. He still solidified his position as one of the 5 best players ever, and may even be in the top 3.
Danielle got a bad rap for voting for Dan tonight. Give the girl a break. I agree that it made little sense, but she was good to her word, and you have to hand her that. The way I figured it, half the country probably liked him and the other half hated him. I know here most people were against him, but most of us here go deeper into the game than the average fan of the show. It was ultimately a good summer and the show ended well in my view. See everyone next summer.
Are they not the most stupid jury ever? Seriously will go down in BB history of the most stupid ever. What a waste of time. Kudos to shane after dans final messege to the Jury shane started shaking his head like how pathetic are you Dan..
Ians final messege was the truth all his wins and Dans backstabbing. She told him that he was the greatest player that ever played.
Go play it back at almost the very in! Oh come on MJ! Really, I thought we were on the same page most of the time. The majority of your comments on here are corny and ridiculous. Dumbelle shocked face when Ian tell her Dan gave him his grandfathers gold cross as collateral to take Ian is priceless she is so stupid.
Dan failed at that, hence, he lost. Ian won! Deal with it. Nothing against Ian, but what was done jury wise, I do not agree with, what Janelle said in my opinion was bang on about Dan, it is just. Again my opinion,. This goes for other shows as well. Until this is done, there will always be people that will use the excuse he or she lied and they are not getting my vote! BB is a game where you are judged by your BB peers. Dan should have know how they would view this, but he was only concerned with getting to the end, because he thought he could misted them.
NOT a sign of a great player. He did everything in his power to win Big Brother. Love it!! Suck it Dan!! My boy won…. She did it again on the after show interview on superpass. I think she was told something about Dan playing her…she looked all over the yard for him and her mouth never closed.
Ian was a good player but not better than Dan, sorry. Dan manipulated almost every person on that Jury out of the house!! Come on BB… Sorry but i think the jury got it wrong this time. I cannot believe the Jury. Dan played the best game in BB history, with the possible exception of Chilltown. Dan is the puppet master. Oh my gosh. Wtf idiot girl…geez, and she calls herself a nurse! Ya, whatever you say Gator. You are so right….
Dan should have won the last comp and booted that goofy little dork. The look on her face tells it all though. She was used, had no clue, but I think she knows now! Maybe she will go and get the help she so desperately needs. He simply crossed the line one too many times and forgot to take into account the feelings of the jury. He absolutely deserved it! Glad Dumbelle walked away third as she earned that too! Good picks Boogie. Even though Ian got ya out.
Ian wins, Frank gets Americas Favorite. But the Jen pick? Even as the credits were rolling at the end -she was talking to Shane w her snarled lip-I bet money making it all about her again. If Shane goes forth and dates her-it will ALL be about her-but she might not stay with him cuz he treats her to nice. She needs someone like Dan who tells her lies and laughs at her behind her back-she seems to stay loyal to people like that. Because then she can whine about it and play a victim.
Give me a break. Stoked Ian won!! I knew Dan was gonna get steamrolled against Ian. His fatal mistake was swearing on the bible, wife and dead relative. Ian was the perfect person for them to vote butthurt and get away with it. I got you before you got me. Instead, he went out like a sniveling jerk.
The greatest part about this season is that it showed that you have to be smart about who you boot before jury. For example.. Dan controlled the entire house, including Ian. Dan played a good game but Ian played better. Dan had to play dirty dirty game to get to the end while Ian just had to play dirty against Mike. Your beloved was not able to mist the jury, or fool his victims twice. The greatest players can, so although Judas played a good game… His ruthless behavior cost him K….
And he only received 1 vote! The posts will correct themselves at it happens when the site is busy! Dan will be the one remembered for surviving his own funeral, getting his biggest enemy in the house to SAVE him, and for backstabbing Shane. Dan is NOT the best player…. He controlled every move in that house since his funeral. You will never see anyone do that ever again. Britt and Dan controlled him bigtime, he just snuck through the cracks.
Dan just did it to more people. Was it effective in the end? Well no, it turned out to be his downfall but he did get far. Not even Dr. Will can say that. It was nothing but sour grapes because Dan out played them all.
Bitter crybabies is how I would describe em. I actually liked Frank until he got to the jury house. If you have the most respect for Dumbelle, well then that explains a lot! There is no reasoning with you…. Get these sour grapes out of me NOW!! Reality is in the freezer…please open it! Sorry Haters! Hell Ya!!! I voted for Frank!! I would like to see Frank move to the west coast for Ashley. I like them together.
Ian deserved the win. I was gonna say something bad about Dumbielle but…I kinda had second thoughts…. Congrats to Ian. Dan played a fantastic game, but socially, he stabbed too many people in the back to have a shot.
Ian played a good enough social and competitive game to be called a winner. Well done kid! The only thing I can say about Dan is he may have won had he stuck with Jenn and Danielle, carrying Shane along and getting rid of Ian at an earlier date.
Dan had the votes to keep Frank, but they voted him out anyways. Anyways, congrats on the 50K Dan and congrats on the K Ian! Favorite winner since Dick! A great player is too smart for that. He simply enjoyed the stinging too much and this is his ultimate downfall. A great player would be more sneaky and deliver the fatal dose like a ghost… And would walk away without being detected.
Ensuring jury votes is a big part of the game. It was nice commenting with you all this season. Goodnight everybody. MJ, Goodnight. Have a pleasant and wonderful year. Night-night MJ…. I thought I was done for the night but I had to reply to this lol. Thank you for those nice words. I hope the best for you as well for the coming year, and I also enjoyed your opinions.
We agreed most of the time lol. And yeah I might be on tomorrow for that wrap-up forum, and glad to hear Jacee is good. Alright then MJ, see you tomorrow :- Sleep in peace. BB is finally done!!! Did you know that other things were on tv besides BBAD? Have a good one!
Yes Ian!! You totally deserved to win over Dan!! He literally won every HOH that he could compete in since the final 9 Final 9, final 7, final 5 and final 3. To me, that alone is deserving of the top prize. Heehee suck it Dan! Wow, that is impressive.
Ian and Frank definitely cemented themselves into the BB hall of fame with their competition wins. They should get their names etched in right next to Brendon and Rachel :P. Thank goodness for the backspace button!
Hell ya!! He covered every angle, fooled every house guest, and manipulated the players he needed and even Ian took it personal. Dan never blew up on anybody even when constantly being referenced to judas, the jury are a bunch of losers. So you think BB needs to change the rules? The jury decides end of story. So Dan did not deserve to win first. Sorry Dan lovers, but the game is decided by the jury. Dan knows this but ended up burning most of them.
The jury can use any method to come to their decision. Why I agree that Ian deserved the win over Dan: Dan tried to use his multiple alliances to get players out, but what really happened was Ian got the people out he wanted by winning comps.
Unwittingly forcing Dan to burnt the jury. Wins HOH get Jenn out. Both Dan and Ian played excellent, memorable strategic games and made for some great entertainment. We watched Ian blossom into a BB heavyweight who made great game moves, and who showed a ton of heart and passion for the game. My problem with Dan is with the WAY he lied to get himself through the game, and by that of course I mean swearing on the Bible and on his wife. I am a full supporter of lying and backstabbing in Big Brother; it is a game for a cash prize, and backstabbing is quite possibly the most tried-and-true method of success in said game.
I find this a copout and a lousy attempt to justify behavior that Dan knows in his heart was wrong. I know this is going to sound a bit skewed, but follow my logic for a second here. What if Dan had slept with another houseguest while playing in the house, strictly to sway their emotions and keep himself safe? I certainly think not. Therefore to me, while Dan was probably the most deserving player to win based on individual game moves, I was thrilled that Ian ended up taking the prize. Ian was every bit as entertaining as Dan this season, and proved to the rest of the house, to America, and to himself that he was in fact a formidable player.
At the end of the day I love both of them and have tremendous respect for Dan as a player. I know this is going to sound a bit silly, but follow my logic for a second here. I certainly hope not. Dan lied to everyone. He did not win many comps. He swore to players on the Bible that he was being truthful. He did not play a varied game, it was all lies. He did not deserve to win because he could not play the game well enough to get but ONE vote. That my friends is a loser!
I think Dan has to be admired for the trickster that he was. And that's ok. She and Ian were very close prior to Britney's eviction, and if she knew the rest of the jury was favoring Dan, there was no reason to be the odd man out.
Even if she and Jenn who also seemed like she might be favoring Dan, and made comments about Ian being a rat had voted for Dan, added to Danielle's vote, Ian still would have won. But "bitter is an understatement"? Granted, this is just her perspective, but it sounds like Dan never had a chance.
Let's move on to Shane, who still seemed frustrated by his eviction. Sure, it hasn't even been a week since Dan sent him packing, but he struck me as a good-natured kind of guy, so his attitude has been surprising.
I kind of figured him to be the shrug and accept it kind of player who saw this experience as a game. But he seemed to take his exit really personally. The Insider quotes him as saying that he wasn't surprised at all that Ian won, "The way Dan played his game, he did me wrong, he did a lot of people wrong and he had to pay for it. It's comments like these that make this season's ending harder to swallow. If Dan had shoved Shane out the door, laughing at him while he went and calling him a fool for agreeing to be put on the block then sure, some bitterness and a bit of payback would've been justified.
And he said as much when he sent Shane packing. Based on the tone of Shane's comment, it seems like Dan's paying more for Shane's mistake than his own.
That's Shane's choice though, and his right as a juror. But as a fan of the game, it doesn't sit well with me. I guess I'd rather hear him singing Ian's praises than talking about payback. Dan received one vote, and that came from Danielle. She showed him some support during the finale, which may have been due to the post-eviction madness. She had no time to think about anything or really talk to the jury.
Still, she stuck to the plan and voted for Dan to win. But she hasn't been nearly as supportive of Dan's efforts in her interviews. She told Zap2It that she might come back to the Big Brother house, depending on what the twist was and who was coming back but, she "wouldn't play with Dan again, never.
I don't really know how to answer that right now.
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